we're not talking about things -- >> within the law or lack of law for that matter. we see case after case, as i like to call it the day after marriage. won't exactly feel like that. a lot of people will wake up and realize, marriage doesn't solve every problem. it doesn't solve immigration, it doesn't solve the poverty of our country and our community is facing. it won't solve so many of the issues, economic issues that are faced by lgbt people in this country. >> one of the important arguments made around marriage equality has been about health care, right? >> one of the big arguments made is i got to be able to cover my partner, my spouse, my beloved under my health care. if we had universal health care access, then marriage would become less important for straight and gay couples. >> i think that's true. but i do think that getting over the marriage hurdle puts us well beyond where we need to be to get through some of these other really legal hurdles. i look at marriage, look, i wasn't a good straight married person. anybody who wants to get married, i'm like so